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BDI - Beck Depression Inventory (the original, public-domain release)

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    I created this myself.  Keep in mind, this is the BDI, not the BDI-II (which is the most current).  BDI-II is copywritten, so you must buy it from Pearson Clinical.  But the original BDI is in the public domain.  In order for you to access this BDI template, it must be uploaded into the shared template library.  Someone at Simple Practice must do this and this requires an approval process.  I just uploaded this about a week ago, so it may be a bit before it becomes available.  

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    At this time, there is no way to automatically score the tool after it is used.  The template simply presents the data in a format that makes it easy for the client to answer the questions.  You will have to do the scoring yourself.  Simple Practice MAY be in the process of creating a template that will include a feature by which scoring can be completed.  But as of this writing, no such feature exists.

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  • Catherine Ranieri

    Hi SP! Any updates on uploading this template into the template library? It's a great addition to the GAD and PHQ-9, thanks!

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  • Michelle Massi, LMFT

    omg this is amazing.  I am currently typing it into my SP version now.  

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  • Tara Joiner

    Simple Practice needs to hire you Ryan! You have come up with so many great templates! We all want them available in SP so I say they save time and just pay you to do it for them! ;) Thanks for sharing all of them!

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  • Ryan Grassmann

    Hello,

     

    Simple Practice Team, 

    Can you provide this original BDI in the template library PLEASE!!!!!
    It would be very helpful. Many of us aren't as efficient to be able to recreate templates. I really do rely upon the template library. 

    Thank you

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    Hi Lisa,

    No, I have never been questioned over my use of the BDI to screen for depression.  This form does not go anywhere, other than into the client's health record file.  No client has ever said to me or asked, "Hey, man, isn't this assessment tool copyrighted?  Do you have a license or permission to administer this to me?"    

    Pearson Assessments only offers the BDI-II as a copyrighted inventory.  If you anticipate somehow using the assessment as a part of research or you have a large-scale practice that routinely administers the tool as part of routine practice, then by all means, pay for permission to use BDI-II.  If your conscience demands that you keep your documentation on the up and up, then pay for permission to use it, then you do not have to worry.

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  • Zoey Faught, MA, LMHC

    Is this a template or one you created yourself? how can I access it without having to create it myself?

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  • Jason Levin

    Thank you!  Can't wait for this to be approved.

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  • Catherine Aisner

    Thanks, Ryan!  Much appreciated

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  • Eve Schutt

    Thanks for doing the workof typing it in.

     

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  • Beverly Dean

    yes, this would be great! i hope it gets added as a tool.

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  • J Thomas Smith

    It would be a beneficial tool.

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  • Pamela K. Smith. LPC

    This would be a GREAT tool!!!

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  • Heather Olsson

    Is there an automatic scoring system?

     

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  • Andrea Verier, MA, MS, LMHC-FL, LPC-Michigan

    Hi

    For the various inventories supplied by SP, I don't know where to find the scoring mechanisms.  It would be great to have BDI, but what about the ones provided?  How do you score them??? Anyone know?

    Andrea V

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    I just Google search "BDI scoring" or "BDI score ranges."

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  • Sharon Bolin, LCSW

    Ryan or others, how do I load this to my templates as a fillable form? Thanks in advance

    Sharon B

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    Sharon B,

    Regrettably, you have to copy and paste the questions and answer choices into a new template to create one that you or your clients can complete.  As of this writing, I am unaware of any way to share Simple Practice templates between clinicians.

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  • Ryan Grassmann

    Wow. How disappointing. I felt it was reasonable to expect that, at the very least, this template would be uploaded by now. 

    SP- Is there something we're missing here? Is this a task that involves more than we're aware of?

    Is there any way to escalate this request in the development efforts?

    Thanks again, Ryan. I admire your initiative. 

    At the moment, I'm trying to determine a method for capturing session satisfaction (similar to SRS and ORS). I prefer to assess more than the two prompts provided in the current SP template library. Ryan, have you created a session rating scale instrument or an outcome rating scale version in your SP documents?

    Thanks-

    Ryan Grassmann  

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    Ryan,

    I have considered the ORS as part of my documentation regimen, and I am aware of the benefits of gathering this data.  Attached is a copy of the form I created in SP.  I simply haven't gotten to the point of feeling comfortable asking the client if they would feel comfortable using some of their session time to answer and discuss the questions.  That is a work in progress.

    There are many assessment tools that would be beneficial to any private practice, but I have found after 5 years of running my own business that I have never needed to rely on the information provided in the BDI to find talking points with my clients.  If I used the BDI, it would be to justify to health insurance a depressive-related diagnosis. 

    So I'm not really chomping at the bit the see this get uploaded to the Template Library.  I only offer it as something I created to easily and quickly obtain more documentation to add to the client's treatment history so a better diagnosis and treatment plan can be formulated.

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  • Ryan Grassmann

    Hey, thanks for the response, Ryan.

    I'm also in private practice (2015) and I contract with a majority of the commercial payers and medicaid. 

    I agree with you about the varying benefits of the aforementioned measures (SRS, ORS, BDI, etc). I use them to support medical necessity, diagnostic validity, and to provide documentation of clinical outcomes. It's mostly to appease insurance co's. But I am convinced that measuring satisfaction would contribute to my effort to improve in some areas. 

    My plan was to send the measure through the client portal following session (predetermined intervals). 

    As for the symptoms measures, commercial and government payers have worked hard to convince me that I will face (insert consequence here) should I fail to provide documentation that supports the Dx, Tx plan, and session interventions.

    I have never faced an audit (except for the risk adjustment type) but I receive 90837 warnings periodically (they go right into the shredder at this point). I do see (and treat) my clients for a clock hour, so I bill 90837 for the bulk of my typical individual sessions. 

    Someday, I may simple subscribe to one of the measurement services that distributes the measures and provides the results in various formats. I haven't really looked into it to deeply. I do all my own books, claims/billing, and all the other things myself to cut down on the overhead. 

    Anyway, thanks for the feedback and the template format examples. They've helped me in figuring out how to create the templates. 

    Take care, 

    Ryan Grassmann
    Portland Mental Wellness

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    Hi Ryan,

    I have been in private practice since 2017 and formerly did work with many commercial payors.  I couldn't have done it without Simple Practice, which was a huge help with scheduling, documentation and billing.  I have since invested much of my practice in working with Military One Source EAP providing counseling services to the five branches of the military.  Each year I have requested reimbursement rate increases that have been successively approved, so now I am receiving a per-session rate that substantially exceeds what any plan will pay me, without much of the billing hassles. 

    The forms I created that you see on the Template Exchange site were those I used when I was starting my practice.  I figured it's not secret sauce, so I may as well share the love.  Hopefully can get their private practices off the ground more quickly having ready-made forms to use right away.  Thanks for your continued support.

    Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    CounselingWerks, A Marriage and Family Therapy Corp

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  • Lisa Permar

    I can't find anything where it says the that the original BDI is in the public domain. All versions look copyrighted to me. You haven't had any issues or worries with administering this? 

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  • Lisa Permar

    Haha fair point. I wasn't trying to come at you or anything. We just created the form ourselves too, then realized it was copyrighted. And were wondering now how we should proceed and whatnot. We honestly weren't sure. 

    Yea, as part of research or a larger-scale practice, that makes sense to me for too, of course. Wasn't sure how big of a deal it was on a smaller scale... 

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  • Ryan Buchmann, MA, MFT, CADC-II

    As I said, BDI-II is the only assessment tool offered for purchase.  But I only use the BDI to gauge severity level of depression for the client, so for me as a single-employee practice, it does not make sense to purchase BDI-II and I just don't think anyone is really going to come after me for using an older version of it.  The only person I would imagine would create a problem would be a disgruntled colleague in private practice with me who wanted to make trouble.

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